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		<title>By: Scott Burkett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Burkett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 19:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, Ron.

I didn&#039;t say that dynamic content wasn&#039;t possible.   I said porting all of the other customary infrastructure wasn&#039;t likely to happen ... good luck!

Cheers.
Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, Ron.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say that dynamic content wasn&#8217;t possible.   I said porting all of the other customary infrastructure wasn&#8217;t likely to happen &#8230; good luck!</p>
<p>Cheers.<br />
Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 09:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

Haha, I agree that there won&#039;t be much use of it.  But here I am, experimenting with it because it&#039;s part of my school project. And I&#039;m quite stuck with it. Why did you mention, Mr Burkett, that dynamic content won&#039;t be possible? That sure spells trouble for me, because I was supposed to host a guestbook. And that was the easy part.

The harder part, I thought, is I&#039;m supposed to have a part of the website that reports my location (probably through a gsm tracker software). Sure sounds like dynamic content to me..

I tried playing with the apache settings, trying to allow cgi scripts, but with no luck..

Best Regards,
Ronald</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>Haha, I agree that there won&#8217;t be much use of it.  But here I am, experimenting with it because it&#8217;s part of my school project. And I&#8217;m quite stuck with it. Why did you mention, Mr Burkett, that dynamic content won&#8217;t be possible? That sure spells trouble for me, because I was supposed to host a guestbook. And that was the easy part.</p>
<p>The harder part, I thought, is I&#8217;m supposed to have a part of the website that reports my location (probably through a gsm tracker software). Sure sounds like dynamic content to me..</p>
<p>I tried playing with the apache settings, trying to allow cgi scripts, but with no luck..</p>
<p>Best Regards,<br />
Ronald</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Burkett</title>
		<link>http://www.scottburkett.com/index.php/technology/2006-01-23/pandoras-box-from-nokia.html/comment-page-1#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Burkett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 14:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a realistic standpoint, it probably didn&#039;t cost them *that* much money to port it - I was simply pointing out one of the principles behind my thinking. I&#039;m not sure ROI factored into their thinking or not - it would have factored into mine, though.

R&amp;D is one of those areas that you never know what you&#039;ll get from it - some of the craziest ideas turn into the greatest innovations (.e.g Bell Labs and UNIX, DARPA and the Internet, Motorola and the cell phone.)  Of course, history is rife with those &quot;other&quot; ideas that didn&#039;t quite pan out as well. So perhaps they just rolled the dice.

I would venture to say that the Nokia/Apache port didn&#039;t come from customer suggestions.  I doubt they had a wave of customers calling them up proclaiming their desire to have a library of Apache 2.x modules available to them on their phones. &quot;Hey guys, I was wondering when mod_rewrite will be available for my 6160?&quot; :)

IMHO, R&amp;D should ideally lead to increased revenues or product adoption.  I don&#039;t see this as doing either.  This will not leapfrog them over their competitors.  Instead, I would have focused on making a better battery, better reception, more/better PDA functionality, etc.  Things that customers really want. :)

Cheers.
Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a realistic standpoint, it probably didn&#8217;t cost them *that* much money to port it &#8211; I was simply pointing out one of the principles behind my thinking. I&#8217;m not sure ROI factored into their thinking or not &#8211; it would have factored into mine, though.</p>
<p>R&#038;D is one of those areas that you never know what you&#8217;ll get from it &#8211; some of the craziest ideas turn into the greatest innovations (.e.g Bell Labs and UNIX, DARPA and the Internet, Motorola and the cell phone.)  Of course, history is rife with those &#8220;other&#8221; ideas that didn&#8217;t quite pan out as well. So perhaps they just rolled the dice.</p>
<p>I would venture to say that the Nokia/Apache port didn&#8217;t come from customer suggestions.  I doubt they had a wave of customers calling them up proclaiming their desire to have a library of Apache 2.x modules available to them on their phones. &#8220;Hey guys, I was wondering when mod_rewrite will be available for my 6160?&#8221; <img src='http://www.scottburkett.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>IMHO, R&#038;D should ideally lead to increased revenues or product adoption.  I don&#8217;t see this as doing either.  This will not leapfrog them over their competitors.  Instead, I would have focused on making a better battery, better reception, more/better PDA functionality, etc.  Things that customers really want. <img src='http://www.scottburkett.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Cheers.<br />
Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Tote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 10:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well first, it was developed by NRC (Nokia Research Center). Their task is - among others, of course - to make researches if this and that is worth further development, investment.

Second, I&#039;m sure that Nokia - as always - has made some investigations before starting this project - to see if anybody is *interested* in such a component. I presume they wouldn&#039;t have started it at all if no ROI had been foreseen.

Third, might be important only for techies: hey, I haven&#039;t heard anything about mobile web servers used by many people. Does anyone know at all if it&#039;s a good thing or bad? Let&#039;s make it ourselves (thought Nokia, I guess) and we&#039;ll see if it was worth the time (and money). I must admit, though, that from ROI&#039;s point of view it might not have been the wisest decision. :-\

Tote</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well first, it was developed by NRC (Nokia Research Center). Their task is &#8211; among others, of course &#8211; to make researches if this and that is worth further development, investment.</p>
<p>Second, I&#8217;m sure that Nokia &#8211; as always &#8211; has made some investigations before starting this project &#8211; to see if anybody is *interested* in such a component. I presume they wouldn&#8217;t have started it at all if no ROI had been foreseen.</p>
<p>Third, might be important only for techies: hey, I haven&#8217;t heard anything about mobile web servers used by many people. Does anyone know at all if it&#8217;s a good thing or bad? Let&#8217;s make it ourselves (thought Nokia, I guess) and we&#8217;ll see if it was worth the time (and money). I must admit, though, that from ROI&#8217;s point of view it might not have been the wisest decision. :-\</p>
<p>Tote</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Burkett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Burkett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 13:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tote - I gotcha now.

I think you hit on a key point.  The &quot;utility value&quot; is more of a novelty.  As I pointed out above, there is no doubt that it is &quot;cool&quot; - the question is whether or not it solves a business need.

I say &quot;business need&quot; because I am assuming Nokia spent some significant dollars in porting Apache to their devices.  If I&#039;m paying a team of engineers, I want some ROI beyond a &quot;cool factor.&quot; ;)
Cheers.
Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tote &#8211; I gotcha now.</p>
<p>I think you hit on a key point.  The &#8220;utility value&#8221; is more of a novelty.  As I pointed out above, there is no doubt that it is &#8220;cool&#8221; &#8211; the question is whether or not it solves a business need.</p>
<p>I say &#8220;business need&#8221; because I am assuming Nokia spent some significant dollars in porting Apache to their devices.  If I&#8217;m paying a team of engineers, I want some ROI beyond a &#8220;cool factor.&#8221; <img src='http://www.scottburkett.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Cheers.<br />
Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Tote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 09:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again,

I&#039;m sorry if I wasn&#039;t clear enough: I just meant that if you had a web server on your mobile phone it would be very easy to tell your friends that &quot;Hey, just check out my latest pictures taken here and there!&quot;. And they could simply download the images, videos, etc. directly from your phone without having to upload them on to a dedicated server that everybody can access. I&#039;m not sure, though, if this feature is worth the trouble it may cause otherwise.

Cheers,

Tote</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I wasn&#8217;t clear enough: I just meant that if you had a web server on your mobile phone it would be very easy to tell your friends that &#8220;Hey, just check out my latest pictures taken here and there!&#8221;. And they could simply download the images, videos, etc. directly from your phone without having to upload them on to a dedicated server that everybody can access. I&#8217;m not sure, though, if this feature is worth the trouble it may cause otherwise.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Tote</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Burkett</title>
		<link>http://www.scottburkett.com/index.php/technology/2006-01-23/pandoras-box-from-nokia.html/comment-page-1#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Burkett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 01:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tote, I&#039;m not sure I understand what you are saying here ... can you elaborate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tote, I&#8217;m not sure I understand what you are saying here &#8230; can you elaborate?</p>
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		<title>By: Tote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 May 2006 22:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

Having enabled a web server, you can basically forget about having to upload your images, videos, etc. to anywhere. I&#039;m not saying that I&#039;m a fan of this idea and I agree with you about all cons you&#039;ve listed, but ... it still makes sense to provide this service on a mobile phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>Having enabled a web server, you can basically forget about having to upload your images, videos, etc. to anywhere. I&#8217;m not saying that I&#8217;m a fan of this idea and I agree with you about all cons you&#8217;ve listed, but &#8230; it still makes sense to provide this service on a mobile phone.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 14:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the main issues are availability and addressability.  From the reasons you cite, availability will be limited due to the phone&#039;s intermittent conntection to cell services.  Also, cell phones are not inherently addressable from an IP standpoint.  At this time it usually takes the phone to request a connection from the carrier to gain an IP for the duration of that connection and that will certainly change the next time.  True you can SMS text a phone directly and there are some solutions that rely on this.  However, I don&#039;t think these reasons preclude some sort of web server like functionality.  Having a web server on my phone that could let the world know where I am and what my availability is could be handy.  Say I was giving a talk at a conference and I wanted to distribute materials only to those people attending and only at that time.   I&#039;m probably streatching things here, but I think we get caught up thinking that websites need to be designed for a mass audience when maybe you are the only audience for your webserver(or you and your close friends).  Also, as hardware changes the capability to perform server tasks increases.  I have a project(www.denizenbox.com) that uses a Linksys router as a personal server.  It runs a 200Mhz cpu and has 32Meg of RAM.  I has a complete web-server + PHP + Database stack and can support any number of LAMP like applications.  It may not be able to server volumes of connections, but not all applications require that (like blogs).   I think this area is ripe for innovation and we should see intersting things coming out in the next year.

-Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the main issues are availability and addressability.  From the reasons you cite, availability will be limited due to the phone&#8217;s intermittent conntection to cell services.  Also, cell phones are not inherently addressable from an IP standpoint.  At this time it usually takes the phone to request a connection from the carrier to gain an IP for the duration of that connection and that will certainly change the next time.  True you can SMS text a phone directly and there are some solutions that rely on this.  However, I don&#8217;t think these reasons preclude some sort of web server like functionality.  Having a web server on my phone that could let the world know where I am and what my availability is could be handy.  Say I was giving a talk at a conference and I wanted to distribute materials only to those people attending and only at that time.   I&#8217;m probably streatching things here, but I think we get caught up thinking that websites need to be designed for a mass audience when maybe you are the only audience for your webserver(or you and your close friends).  Also, as hardware changes the capability to perform server tasks increases.  I have a project(www.denizenbox.com) that uses a Linksys router as a personal server.  It runs a 200Mhz cpu and has 32Meg of RAM.  I has a complete web-server + PHP + Database stack and can support any number of LAMP like applications.  It may not be able to server volumes of connections, but not all applications require that (like blogs).   I think this area is ripe for innovation and we should see intersting things coming out in the next year.</p>
<p>-Andrew</p>
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