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	<title>Comments on: From Bankrupcty to TAG/GRA Business Launch Winner &#8211; WTF?</title>
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		<title>By: Konstantyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Konstantyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the comments pointing out that a core entrepreneur should concentrate on the business. An early-stager low-starter should follow exclusively the described above logic of a low curb, goal oriented practice to succeed.

I disagree the community of more established entrepreneurs should keep a bind eye. This is their moral obligation to pass the knowledge and watch out for the growing kids. It is essential to provide a nurturing ground for a significant and scalable success of entrepreneurship in the region. Doing this one has to keep constantly in mind that the rules in kindergarten are different than those on the boxing arena. To preserve the differences is the community job and the higher motive - I think - of Scott&#039;s efforts.

It is incorrect to think that the real life boxing rules are applicable for the GRA/TAG competition. GRA is partly funded by Georgia&#039;s budget. So the funds must have the only aim to maximize the gross benefit in Georgia (in this sense in Georgia&#039;s entrepreneur community.) Gross benefit and a company success (net benefit) are not synonyms. It is better to lose under boxing arena rules and win under kindergarten rules.

The market survival philosophy may be good for selecting of a particular best one-time effect supplier, but is extremely inefficient for analysis and control of the long-run adoption capabilities of a society. (For a popular training on the subject watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QalNVxeIKEE) So it is essential, the business plan competitions send the correct signals out there to the children in entrepreneurship. It is an encouraging state-rage Olympics. It is not a professional world-class play-off. The real value of correct signaling is tremendous. It is in activating of hidden reserves - the only resource able to shift situation. 

But -yes- in institutional investment terms the money on signaling would be spent inefficiently. The VC-guys club was probably not the best judge service here. They bias off the big picture if not under control.

I&#039;ve been there and took notes. The best presentation was by ProperNotice. Though, they represented weaker market and had less anchoring to the Atlanta&#039;s financial market moguls. ATM Direct were out of time, have jammed financial part and have not made plausible the technology is hacker-safe (I could provide you a couple of tips if you are in hacking.) I left the event with a thought, I miss something in the story. Now I know what. Thank you all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the comments pointing out that a core entrepreneur should concentrate on the business. An early-stager low-starter should follow exclusively the described above logic of a low curb, goal oriented practice to succeed.</p>
<p>I disagree the community of more established entrepreneurs should keep a bind eye. This is their moral obligation to pass the knowledge and watch out for the growing kids. It is essential to provide a nurturing ground for a significant and scalable success of entrepreneurship in the region. Doing this one has to keep constantly in mind that the rules in kindergarten are different than those on the boxing arena. To preserve the differences is the community job and the higher motive &#8211; I think &#8211; of Scott&#8217;s efforts.</p>
<p>It is incorrect to think that the real life boxing rules are applicable for the GRA/TAG competition. GRA is partly funded by Georgia&#8217;s budget. So the funds must have the only aim to maximize the gross benefit in Georgia (in this sense in Georgia&#8217;s entrepreneur community.) Gross benefit and a company success (net benefit) are not synonyms. It is better to lose under boxing arena rules and win under kindergarten rules.</p>
<p>The market survival philosophy may be good for selecting of a particular best one-time effect supplier, but is extremely inefficient for analysis and control of the long-run adoption capabilities of a society. (For a popular training on the subject watch <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QalNVxeIKEE)" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QalNVxeIKEE)</a> So it is essential, the business plan competitions send the correct signals out there to the children in entrepreneurship. It is an encouraging state-rage Olympics. It is not a professional world-class play-off. The real value of correct signaling is tremendous. It is in activating of hidden reserves &#8211; the only resource able to shift situation. </p>
<p>But -yes- in institutional investment terms the money on signaling would be spent inefficiently. The VC-guys club was probably not the best judge service here. They bias off the big picture if not under control.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been there and took notes. The best presentation was by ProperNotice. Though, they represented weaker market and had less anchoring to the Atlanta&#8217;s financial market moguls. ATM Direct were out of time, have jammed financial part and have not made plausible the technology is hacker-safe (I could provide you a couple of tips if you are in hacking.) I left the event with a thought, I miss something in the story. Now I know what. Thank you all.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not surprised Bahl was terminated from AMEX. In 2001 his lawyer found him embezzling funds out of the company. Bahl fired the lawyer before he could tell anyone. He misrepresented facts and constantly lied to employees and investors. At Accenture he had a very bad reputation and exited under suspicious circumstances. They tried to sue him for something. Many in Atlanta will not do business with this guy. I feel sorry for this company if he is an investor. I am not sure why TAG would have such a guy on their board?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprised Bahl was terminated from AMEX. In 2001 his lawyer found him embezzling funds out of the company. Bahl fired the lawyer before he could tell anyone. He misrepresented facts and constantly lied to employees and investors. At Accenture he had a very bad reputation and exited under suspicious circumstances. They tried to sue him for something. Many in Atlanta will not do business with this guy. I feel sorry for this company if he is an investor. I am not sure why TAG would have such a guy on their board?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Pipes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Pipes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashish Bahl was the founder &amp; CEO of Harbor Payments. Nandan Sheth was COO of Harbor Payments. Company was bought by AMEX in 2006 for approx $150MM in stock. In 2005 Harbor Payments secured $40MM in funding from Oak Investment Partners (primary partner was Ann Lamont). Oak controlled 75% of Harbor Payments. Last month Ashish was terminated with cause by AMEX. Ashish is also an investor in ATM Direct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashish Bahl was the founder &amp; CEO of Harbor Payments. Nandan Sheth was COO of Harbor Payments. Company was bought by AMEX in 2006 for approx $150MM in stock. In 2005 Harbor Payments secured $40MM in funding from Oak Investment Partners (primary partner was Ann Lamont). Oak controlled 75% of Harbor Payments. Last month Ashish was terminated with cause by AMEX. Ashish is also an investor in ATM Direct.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Burkett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Burkett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I understand, Ashish Bahl, a TAG board member, is referred to in at least one article as the Corporate Secretary for ATM Direct/Accullink.  According to TAG, the $600K in capital used to purchase the assets of ATM Direct in the bankcruptcy auction came from Nandan Sheth, not Ashish.

I was unaware that Ashish was on the board of TAG, but according to the TAG web site, he is.  

I haven&#039;t seen Accullink&#039;s corporate charter, so I&#039;ve no idea if Ashish is actually a corporate director.  

I will say this, though: if Ashish is indeed a Director on the board of ATM Direct/Accullink, this whole affair just got much worse.  I desperately want to believe that this was a horrible oversight on the part of the screening committee/judges/et al. I would think that this would be a pretty obvious conflict of interest.

I worked with Ashish years ago in the old iXL days.  He&#039;s a good guy.  This is puzzling and/or unfortunate.

Cheers.
Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I understand, Ashish Bahl, a TAG board member, is referred to in at least one article as the Corporate Secretary for ATM Direct/Accullink.  According to TAG, the $600K in capital used to purchase the assets of ATM Direct in the bankcruptcy auction came from Nandan Sheth, not Ashish.</p>
<p>I was unaware that Ashish was on the board of TAG, but according to the TAG web site, he is.  </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen Accullink&#8217;s corporate charter, so I&#8217;ve no idea if Ashish is actually a corporate director.  </p>
<p>I will say this, though: if Ashish is indeed a Director on the board of ATM Direct/Accullink, this whole affair just got much worse.  I desperately want to believe that this was a horrible oversight on the part of the screening committee/judges/et al. I would think that this would be a pretty obvious conflict of interest.</p>
<p>I worked with Ashish years ago in the old iXL days.  He&#8217;s a good guy.  This is puzzling and/or unfortunate.</p>
<p>Cheers.<br />
Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone notice that a member of TAG&#039;s Board of Director&#039;s is the CEO from Harbor Payments?  Wasn&#039;t the &quot;founder&quot; (sic) of ATMDirect, the &quot;founder&quot; of Harbor Payments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone notice that a member of TAG&#8217;s Board of Director&#8217;s is the CEO from Harbor Payments?  Wasn&#8217;t the &#8220;founder&#8221; (sic) of ATMDirect, the &#8220;founder&#8221; of Harbor Payments?</p>
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		<title>By: John Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tino, I believe a lot of this could have been avoided if the rules and the selections were better explained. When the rules and the selection process are hidden or not disseminated, it is easy for people to get the wrong idea. Something that should be addressed for next years event. Thank you for the explanation and your leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tino, I believe a lot of this could have been avoided if the rules and the selections were better explained. When the rules and the selection process are hidden or not disseminated, it is easy for people to get the wrong idea. Something that should be addressed for next years event. Thank you for the explanation and your leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Burkett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Burkett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tino, thanks for the clarification.  While I still disagree with the selection, I appreciate your willingness to come on and shed some light on things from the TAG perspective.

A lot of ideas for improvement have been thrown out there as a result of this, and I&#039;m sure others will follow.  I have some thoughts on this which I&#039;ll share later as well ...

Cheers.
Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tino, thanks for the clarification.  While I still disagree with the selection, I appreciate your willingness to come on and shed some light on things from the TAG perspective.</p>
<p>A lot of ideas for improvement have been thrown out there as a result of this, and I&#8217;m sure others will follow.  I have some thoughts on this which I&#8217;ll share later as well &#8230;</p>
<p>Cheers.<br />
Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Tino Mantella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tino Mantella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott (&amp; all): 
We appreciate your points of view and everything that you collectively do for the Atlanta technology startup community..   With that said, I do want to highlight a few points that will shed additional light on the matter…
The vetting process to review all 75 competitors was extensive.  As has been the case each year, some companies were informed that they did not meet the criteria, throughout the process.  There were 4 distinct steps in the competition and ATM Direct was reviewed at every stage and was determined to be eligible at the conclusion of each.  In a nutshell, ATM Direct met all of this year’s criteria and was deemed by the final judges to be the best company, based on the judging criteria.  Here is some key information:
(1) The company was purchased for $600k; most of the funding came from the President and Founder (Nandan Sheth).  Very little external funding was utilized.
 (2) The Atlanta team basically purchased a patent, and changed the way the patent was utilized ... and hence the innovation.
 (3) During the legacy history of the asset, while owned by Paybytouch, the company had no revenue, no customers and seemed to not have a viable business model.
 (4) The Atlanta team has rewritten the software, changed the distribution model, established very novel economics, and created a compliance framework.
 Again, ATM Direct met the GRA/TAG criterion. We appreciate the efforts of our 50+ prominent tech-stakeholders who played a role in the selection process.  I want to remind everyone that those who  stepped up to be a part of this process are some of Georgia’s most respected leaders (many who have built and/or funded multiple companies that generated jobs and boosted our economy).
We all hope ATM Direct (and our other competitors) will end up creating a plethora of jobs in Georgia and that they will bring national recognition to leverage badly needed in-state and out-of-state money to our young companies.
 The TAG Board of Directors and GRA, as it does each year, will continue to evaluate the program and its criteria, and will make adjustments if necessary.   Feel free to send any thoughts on how our competition could be improved.
Tino</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott (&amp; all):<br />
We appreciate your points of view and everything that you collectively do for the Atlanta technology startup community..   With that said, I do want to highlight a few points that will shed additional light on the matter…<br />
The vetting process to review all 75 competitors was extensive.  As has been the case each year, some companies were informed that they did not meet the criteria, throughout the process.  There were 4 distinct steps in the competition and ATM Direct was reviewed at every stage and was determined to be eligible at the conclusion of each.  In a nutshell, ATM Direct met all of this year’s criteria and was deemed by the final judges to be the best company, based on the judging criteria.  Here is some key information:<br />
(1) The company was purchased for $600k; most of the funding came from the President and Founder (Nandan Sheth).  Very little external funding was utilized.<br />
 (2) The Atlanta team basically purchased a patent, and changed the way the patent was utilized &#8230; and hence the innovation.<br />
 (3) During the legacy history of the asset, while owned by Paybytouch, the company had no revenue, no customers and seemed to not have a viable business model.<br />
 (4) The Atlanta team has rewritten the software, changed the distribution model, established very novel economics, and created a compliance framework.<br />
 Again, ATM Direct met the GRA/TAG criterion. We appreciate the efforts of our 50+ prominent tech-stakeholders who played a role in the selection process.  I want to remind everyone that those who  stepped up to be a part of this process are some of Georgia’s most respected leaders (many who have built and/or funded multiple companies that generated jobs and boosted our economy).<br />
We all hope ATM Direct (and our other competitors) will end up creating a plethora of jobs in Georgia and that they will bring national recognition to leverage badly needed in-state and out-of-state money to our young companies.<br />
 The TAG Board of Directors and GRA, as it does each year, will continue to evaluate the program and its criteria, and will make adjustments if necessary.   Feel free to send any thoughts on how our competition could be improved.<br />
Tino</p>
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		<title>By: Colin B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seamusr, 
Most of the companies that entered the competition did so because they were in the market for seed capital, but let’s not get too distracted on that tangent.

Let me be clearer about my post:

1.	The winning company deserved it. Second place was very far behind the winner. 
2.	From what I read (grated on the web) they purchased a patent and some servers from bankruptcy. They did not buy a company with customers or revenue from what I understand. I also remember from the presentation that they are building a new product from scratch leveraging these patents. This sounds like a start-up to me. If they were lucky enough to purchase the patent and servers at pennies on the dollar, more power to them. 
3.	I read up on the holding company that owned some of the asset that ATM Direct purchased. Well this company raised over $250MM and lost all of it. Even if they were stupid enough to pay $30MM there is no indication that it gives ATM Direct any market advantage. On the contrary the looming question will be if this other company sunk millions into this with little traction what makes you think you can make a go of it! In many cases it is harder to buy assets from bankruptsy that have under performed, and than build a new venture around them. 
4.	It seems to me that TAG/GRE acted with positive intentions. If there was a qualification problem there was ample opportunity for it to have surfaced, and the winner would have been disqualified much earlier.  Four companies made it to the finals and the best company won.  
5.	This type of competition can bring in outside money. Look at the list of judges a lot of them were VC’s from out of town. This is good for Atlanta. So even if this competition may not have been perfect these events make Atlanta more relevant.

I understand that I hold the counter view point on this blog, but that does not justify the personal attack. I will not lower myself to counter the latst sentance. 

It’s healthy to have different opinions.

Colin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seamusr,<br />
Most of the companies that entered the competition did so because they were in the market for seed capital, but let’s not get too distracted on that tangent.</p>
<p>Let me be clearer about my post:</p>
<p>1.	The winning company deserved it. Second place was very far behind the winner.<br />
2.	From what I read (grated on the web) they purchased a patent and some servers from bankruptcy. They did not buy a company with customers or revenue from what I understand. I also remember from the presentation that they are building a new product from scratch leveraging these patents. This sounds like a start-up to me. If they were lucky enough to purchase the patent and servers at pennies on the dollar, more power to them.<br />
3.	I read up on the holding company that owned some of the asset that ATM Direct purchased. Well this company raised over $250MM and lost all of it. Even if they were stupid enough to pay $30MM there is no indication that it gives ATM Direct any market advantage. On the contrary the looming question will be if this other company sunk millions into this with little traction what makes you think you can make a go of it! In many cases it is harder to buy assets from bankruptsy that have under performed, and than build a new venture around them.<br />
4.	It seems to me that TAG/GRE acted with positive intentions. If there was a qualification problem there was ample opportunity for it to have surfaced, and the winner would have been disqualified much earlier.  Four companies made it to the finals and the best company won.<br />
5.	This type of competition can bring in outside money. Look at the list of judges a lot of them were VC’s from out of town. This is good for Atlanta. So even if this competition may not have been perfect these events make Atlanta more relevant.</p>
<p>I understand that I hold the counter view point on this blog, but that does not justify the personal attack. I will not lower myself to counter the latst sentance. </p>
<p>It’s healthy to have different opinions.</p>
<p>Colin</p>
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		<title>By: seamusr</title>
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		<dc:creator>seamusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 04:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin, no one was suggesting that &quot;another company should have won because they needed the $100K more than ATM Direct and not because they were the best&quot;.  Where did you get that? This was all about whether or not the company that won actually met the criteria for entering the thing in the first place.

You also said that &quot;We need more serial entrepreneurs that have a track record in the Atlanta community. Rather than encourage them we sit on the side lines and turn this competition into a joke.&quot;  I don&#039;t think this competition has encouraged anyone this year. in my view this competition isn&#039;t a joke but seems to be in jeapordy of being devalued.

You also said &quot;No wonder Atlanta gets such little seed capital compared to other cities of our size. The maturity of its self proclaimed entrepreneur community is laughable. I can see the VC and PE firms in the North East and West Coast mocking us.&quot;

They don&#039;t mock us because they don&#039;t have to.  We are irrelevant in their markets. And your comment here about the startup community shows your lack of knowledge about what is happening here in Atlanta and what has happened over the past 18 months.  The lack of seed capital in Altanta has nothing to do with anything in this debate.  Do your homework on this topic before you come here and make a fool out of yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin, no one was suggesting that &#8220;another company should have won because they needed the $100K more than ATM Direct and not because they were the best&#8221;.  Where did you get that? This was all about whether or not the company that won actually met the criteria for entering the thing in the first place.</p>
<p>You also said that &#8220;We need more serial entrepreneurs that have a track record in the Atlanta community. Rather than encourage them we sit on the side lines and turn this competition into a joke.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think this competition has encouraged anyone this year. in my view this competition isn&#8217;t a joke but seems to be in jeapordy of being devalued.</p>
<p>You also said &#8220;No wonder Atlanta gets such little seed capital compared to other cities of our size. The maturity of its self proclaimed entrepreneur community is laughable. I can see the VC and PE firms in the North East and West Coast mocking us.&#8221;</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t mock us because they don&#8217;t have to.  We are irrelevant in their markets. And your comment here about the startup community shows your lack of knowledge about what is happening here in Atlanta and what has happened over the past 18 months.  The lack of seed capital in Altanta has nothing to do with anything in this debate.  Do your homework on this topic before you come here and make a fool out of yourself.</p>
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